First Official B6 Passat Pictures
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:26 pm
The main intent of forming the CVO is to create a forum for sharing knowledge and experiences with late-model water-cooled VW
BLA BLA BLA BLAStrictly Gravy wrote:Looks like the Phaeton got some lovin from a Malibu. Is the VW chief of Design either dating the Chevy chief of design or the ex Chevy CoD? Just toss this on the list of another reason why VW is going down the drain and why I am getting out of the VAG game.
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Any cars with similar mission are going to have some similarity. It's the details that differ that make the design complete, like the lack of the Mailbu's clumsy rear fender design, and the sharp hard lines on the sides of the car. The Jetta shape has had some mixed reviews, though generally thought highly of in person. The reaction to the Passat on the Vortex has been overwhelmingly positive, so you are clearly in the minority here, Greg. Besides, have you even considered the interior and their differences. While VW's have been "spiralling down," they have made great strides in the marketplace from the low point at the end of the MkII/beginning of MkIII era, when there was a question if VW would survive at all. Vw has done very well with the MIV's and B5's, setting sales records. These models have grown long in the tooth, all around the same time, leaving VW in a tight spot. I predict VW will enter another boom period when the new generations arrive, as early reviews have had remarkable praise, especially for the handling characteristics. They can't come too soon, though.Strictly Gravy wrote:Thats prolly the same 50 percent that think the Enzo is a dumb car. SO that leaves another 50% who are somewhat knowledgeable and respectable.Take a look at this and tell me its no similar: Backdoor rear glass shape, Door handles, Front lower bumper, Windshield line, headlights to an extent.......come on We also know that VWoA enjoys screwing us so we will be getting a 4x4 like that one too. Dont belive me, ask Jamie for the picture of the European spec R32 side by side with the US one.
The Corrado didn't sell well because it was way too expensive in our market, and because VW had an overall bad position in the market. The VR6 was developed under the hood of Sciroccos and Golfs in the late 1980s, not sure how it turned out ot be underdeveloped for the Corrado. IMO the biggest problem the Corrado ever had was the 2nd 3rd and 4th owners who could not afford to properly maintain them, giving them quite a reputation for poor reliability.Strictly Gravy wrote:Vw is known for bringing out new 'engineering feats" w/o much R&D. (hate to say it but...) The corrado G60, then tossing the Vr in there with little R&D. Hell, the Corrado didnt sell well, they took a humongous hit on it.
As do all cars. No revelation here.Strictly Gravy wrote: Mk3's also have their problems, dont kno what they are exactly, but they have them.
OK. Coilpacks were an issue for every VW,Audi,Seat,Skoda with a 1.8t that received parts from a bad production run by a VW supplier. Hardley a Mk4 specific issue. Amazingly unfortunate for VW for a component that is used in their most popular engine four times to have such a problem - just no way to make enough replacements fast enough at that volume. While it was not OK, it could have happened to any company.Strictly Gravy wrote: Then, there is the glorious Mk4 chassis. Hmm, coilpacks, window regulators, and (my favorite)heated seats catching on fire.
Sorry to break it to you but the enthusiasts don't have a chance in hell of keeping a company like VW in the black. They need to cater to the general American market if they want to grow and succeed. I think they DO need to improve on this front (too much is still decreed from Germany for our market without enough input from / about our market), but the guys in Auburn hills are fighting this battle hard.Strictly Gravy wrote: Why doesnt VW see what the enthusiasts really want and do something like that.
How many exactly were on the lots 'last you checked', and when was that? I have been told (no I didn't check) that there are about 200 left. Sounds like 5000 was just the right amount, although I never expected it (I thought 3000 max would be the right number).Strictly Gravy wrote:5000 R32's and there are still quite a few sitting on lots last i checked.
Yep. See earlier comments about Germany dictating to the US market, rather than listening to it. This is an excellent example of that problem.Strictly Gravy wrote: Then there is the glorious W8 Passat
I don't know that this has been a bad project for them. It is not and will never be a big seller, but it does not have to be. It is being received as an honest to goodness player in the luxury sedan market by the media, which is exactly what VW wants. The Touareg was a great step in the right direction, the Mk V will continue to move to a premium position in the compact car market and the B6 is again approaching $40k, but this time with an established (regarless how recently) perception of VW as a premium brand. Heck the 3.6 VR will be more powerful than the W8Strictly Gravy wrote:and the Phaeton.
We will have to wait and see.Strictly Gravy wrote:IMHO, its gonna take alot longer than the Mk5 chassis for Vw to get back on its feet.
Quite a blanket statement. Your opinion too, so I can accept it as such.Strictly Gravy wrote:Once they can combine all of these great over-engineered and under-thought cars into something that is worthy of being called a VW, maybe ill think about one again.
This makes absolutely no sense. Is there a documented problem with the VW/Bosch OBD2 engine management systems? Is there any information that you are privy to that suggests that these systems were developed on a whim and without logical thought and R&D? 1. They were developed by engineers, who are by nature logical in their methodology 2. They were developed by Germans who are widely regarded as detail oriented, logic driven people. 3. VW owns and operates one of the most expansive R&D facilities in the industry. This statement does not seem to have much more than emotion supporting it.Strictly Gravy wrote:Ever since the OBD2 swap over, VW has been going down the tubes. I know it was federally regulated, but they can at least put some logical thought and R&D into their cars.
I don't know this, but we will find out in the next few years.Strictly Gravy wrote: Vw has fixed the mk4 problems, but there are bound to be more, just as extreme, in the MK5 chassis. And you kno it just as well as i do.
At least part of this is because of the dealership network itself. There are some great dealers out there, but there are arguably more (based on anecdotal evidence) that will always try to take the shortcut when dealing with a customer problem - which will quite often result in that customer coming back, or going to another dealer for the same problem. This is definitely a problem for VW in this market, but I feel the dealer network and factory are equally culpable.Strictly Gravy wrote: Why do u think Vw is always high on the list for the car companies that have the most dealership visits after a new car purchase?
Congratulations!Strictly Gravy wrote:And, if you want to go in to the age thing, thats fine. Go ahead. Most will agree, though that for the less than 2 years I have been in the CVO, my knowledge of the entire Vw scene and company as a whole has grown in leaps and bounds thanks to people like you. I have not forgotten, nor will i ever forget that.
Don't think of it as getting out of the game, just changing teams. IMO a car guy is a car guy (unless they are a girl ) so the brand competition thing does not make much sense to me.Drive onStrictly Gravy wrote:VW is a good company, and its enthusiasts are awesome. Yeah, i know im "getting out of the game," but i do know that I will always be a VW enthusiast at heart. Yeah, there cars are not the fastest, and never will be. Nor will their cars be the best handling or most tuneable, but the VW scene will always be my home away from home.
Actually this was self inflicted by the American driving public, and our litigous society. VW got tired of getting sued by idiots who don't know where the front of their car is, who ripped off front bumper covers on parking curbs, so they raise the ride height of cars destined for our market.Strictly Gravy wrote:We also know that VWoA enjoys screwing us so we will be getting a 4x4 like that one too. Dont belive me, ask Jamie for the picture of the European spec R32 side by side with the US one.